25 Sep 2017, 12:31
Hello, I recently installed FP on Sierra 10.12.5 according to these instructions:
http://www.fnarr.net/fp/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=354
I was VERY happy to have it back, but now I notice some strange behavior: after one or two right-clicks on files/folders in Finder windows, in some cases the normal contextual menu items disappear completely (Open, Open with, Move to trash , etc.) and only FinderPop items appear (with both in-line and separate submenu options in prefs). In other cases random items (often the most needed ones) are greyed out. Turning FP off in the pref pane restores normal behavior completely, so this definitely appears to be caused by FP. Turning FP off/on in the pref pane temporarily restores normal behavior, but after a few right-clicks on folders or items, the same symptoms return. I have tried changing all options on the pref pane one by one, but nothing seems to correct this.
Has anyone else noticed this behavior in Sierra?
Am I missing some setting that might correct this?
Would leaving SIP disabled help? (rather than re-enabling as per instructions in that link)
Over many years I've come to find FP indispensable, but unfortunately this bug (?) makes it unusable. Thanks very much for any advice or suggestions.
25 Sep 2017, 22:04
So you installed FP 2.5.9 BETA ?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=348
I've seen this a couple of times but I've never been able to debug it because the bad behaviour never happened when I tried debugging it.
One thing to note about FP with the Sierra Finder is that for reliable FP use, you first have to click (select) the item you want to popup FP on, and then, in a separate right-click or control-click on the item, invoke FP on the item. Klunky, I know, but it has worked for me the last few times I turned on my Mac...
26 Sep 2017, 02:25
Thanx turly! Yes, 2.5.9 BETA. ... And I also discovered about clicking 1st then right-clicking. ... But for me it still breaks after a few right-clicks, then the only fix is to disable/re-enable FP via the pref pane, which lasts for a few more clicks, etc. ... I wouldn't mind if it lasted a bit longer! I really depend on FP so a slight inconvenience is no problem, but as-is it's almost unusable, at least for right-clicking in Finder. So for now I just avoid that as much as possible and use the other features, which seem to work fine so far.
Any idea if leaving SIP disabled would help? Please post if/when you discover a fix for this. Many thanks!
27 Sep 2017, 06:37
EDIT: Apologies, I only recently realized that this is only the case in Icon view. In List or column view, the normal contextual items do appear. Very sorry, I missed some earlier posts reporting the same symptoms with FP 2.5.9 Beta on earlier OS releases.
UPDATE: I tried running with SIP disabled:
- Completely uninstalled FP pref pane using App Cleaner (it removed a few pref files as well)
- Restarted computer
- Reinstalled FP exactly as per blueberry's instructions, except for final step (re-enable SIP)
- Restarted computer
Result: even worse. Right-click (after first selecting) shows ONLY FP items, not even normal contextual items the first few times as before.
Then went thru the whole process again (as above, but including last step, re-enabling SIP). Result: same as just noted, not even normal contextual items the first few times as in my original post.
Now I'm thoroughly confused. Why was it at least partially/temporarily working before, now not at all?
I would appreciate any advice or comments from others:
Is it working for you (including normal Finder contextual items) after installing as per blueberry's instructions?
Is anyone else getting the same results I am?
Can anyone advise what I might be doing wrong, or some setting I might be missing?
Thanks very much. And of course immense thanks to turly for trying to keep this invaluable tool going.
27 Sep 2017, 09:17
UPDATE 2 ...
Just discovered 2 new wrinkles:
- I tried completely uninstalling FP again (as above), then just installing normally as instructed in the FP2.5.9-BETA-README -- without any of blueberry's extra steps. I got the usual warnings about SIP (it was enabled), menulet, etc. ... then SURPRISE! It installed without a hitch. Everything working perfectly EXCEPT right-clicking in Finder windows in Icon view ... i.e. same result with normal installation or the extra steps.
- BUT I just noticed that right-clicking on Desktop folders/items (ONLY those on the Desktop ) also works without a hitch: all normal contextual items (the correct ones for the folder/item selected) + all FP items show up as they should. And behavior does not change with repeated clicks. ... Now the question is: why ONLY on the desktop (which is also obviously 'Icon view') and not within folders, incl. the Desktop viewed as a folder ?
If anyone knows the answer to that one, we might be on the track of a solution. All comments & advice welcome.
27 Sep 2017, 12:59
I do remember that FP's handling of clicks on the desktop required different skulduggery than clicks in a window. Apparently that skulduggery still works on Sierra, but the window one is broken.
27 Sep 2017, 14:59
Thanks for the reply turley. It would still be nice to get some confirmation that I'm not the only one (did you try it yourself?), so I'm hoping some other users will chime in. ... If anyone out there sees this, please do!
If it's not just me & it really is broken, I'm considering filling in the most essential missing contextual items with AppleScripts from FinderPopExtras + others. A case of 'reinventing the wheel' I know, but I'd rather have all the other features of FP working vs. the normal Finder contextual menu working without it.
Watching and waiting ...
27 Sep 2017, 16:23
I'll be frank here - I've booted up my Mac maybe seven or eight times in the last year. For various arcane reasons, the FinderPop build system won't work on "newer" systems, so my Mac is still running 10.9, but can boot up into 10.10 and later from external disks, which is how I test FP .. a not-very-streamlined development process. Of course, FP works perfectly in 10.9 so I'm happy there. In addition, I am spending less time in front of a computer these days, and all of that time is in Windows or Linux. I got tired of battling Apple who quite obviously don't want this kind of "invasive" program on their systems and make it a PITA to install even if I, the owner of the computer, want it.
Now I'm not saying I'll never fix these FP/Sierra issues, but it's down the list of stuff I'd like to get done.
28 Sep 2017, 02:49
Thanks, turly, I appreciate your taking the time to reply, and your honest answer. All clear, I won't expect a FP fix for Sierra anytime soon, so will keep trying everything else I can think of. ... No worries, and no need to reply further, I know everyone here appreciates the work you've done, well beyond the call of duty.
Actually my situation is very similar to yours: I've been running 10.8.5 for years and would be happy to keep doing so, since FP and most of my other essential apps and tools work fine there. However, as time goes on others don't, so I'm likewise forced to boot up Sierra from a separate partition for some things. ... The difference is that I spend a lot of time in front of my computer and all of it on Mac, so that's a load of humbug and not a viable long-term solution.
But I'd still like some confirmation that I'm not alone in this, since the lack of other reports of this specific problem makes me think I'm missing something and/or doing something wrong. ... IS ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE ?!?! ... Still watching and waiting ...
01 Oct 2017, 18:19
UPDATE 3 ... and confession ...
I have to offer major apologies for belatedly noticing that this issue isn't as serious as I originally thought. Just today I reviewed ALL the posts re FP 2.5.9 Beta on both El Capitan and Sierra, and noted that some other users (not all) reported this issue ONLY in Icon view: in List and Column views the normal contextual items do appear. ... And yes, the same is true for me on Sierra. (I edited two of my earlier posts to clarify this.)
Very sorry, I didn't notice this because I always use Icon view for working with individual folders in Finder. Obviously it's not such a big deal to switch views to use one of the normal contextual commands.
There's a comic aspect to this, because I paid the price for my ignorance by spending the past 2 days re-creating all the contextual functions I really need via Applescripts in a separate FP Actions folder -- that's how much I need FP! (Fortunately it was just a case of invoking existing keystroke shortcuts for most of them.) ... Ah well, at least I ended up with a reduced set that includes everything I need without the clutter of the many useless ones in the normal menu.
So I'm very happy with my current FP setup, finally I can live with Sierra! ... I still wonder if anyone else has this Icon-view-only issue, it seems not everyone did before. ... But actually it seems I'm almost the only one still active on this forum. I hope that doesn't mean other long-term users like me have given up on FP. There IS life after Sierra!
But after all this, no way I'll bother with 10.13, or even do another 10.12 update that might undo all the work I've done (not only with FP!) to get my most essential apps functioning again.
Thanks again turly, I still owe you a couple of pints! ... you may yet get 'em ...
12 Oct 2017, 03:29
turly wrote:I'll be frank here - I've booted up my Mac maybe seven or eight times in the last year. For various arcane reasons, the FinderPop build system won't work on "newer" systems, so my Mac is still running 10.9, but can boot up into 10.10 and later from external disks, which is how I test FP .. a not-very-streamlined development process. Of course, FP works perfectly in 10.9 so I'm happy there. In addition, I am spending less time in front of a computer these days, and all of that time is in Windows or Linux. I got tired of battling Apple who quite obviously don't want this kind of "invasive" program on their systems and make it a PITA to install even if I, the owner of the computer, want it.
Now I'm not saying I'll never fix these FP/Sierra issues, but it's down the list of stuff I'd like to get done.
Thanks, Turly. I'll be frank here too. Two beer (at least) to you if you solve the $*&%$@# with High Sierra, etc. Glad you've moved on though, but I do miss FinderPop. Best of luck with the higher priority stuff, including the Catalan dilemma.