23 Feb 2011, 02:04
I am using the latest FP beta with OS 10.6.6. In the Finder when I select a file and copy it to another folder somewhere on my HD by right clicking and following the usual procedure I get the dialog box which gives me the options to New Foder, Move, Copy, Alias and No which is as it should be but if I select a FOLDER in the Finder and attempt to do the same (that is, copy IT to another folder), the same dialog box should come up but it doesn’t. Instead the target folder opens up on my desktop on top of other Finder folders. Not much of a big deal but I think the same thing should happen in both cases, shouldn’t it? I can’t remember what happened in the previous versions.
Andrew Gara
23 Feb 2011, 15:59
Strange. I use FP 2.3.0.6 beta in OSX 10.6.6 and this works with folders just like it does with files: Right click a folder, navigate in the FP menu to another folder (the green + icon is shown) and release the mouse (the dialog appears).
24 Feb 2011, 00:14
Hey Andrew - it sounds as if FinderPop is not seeing that you control-clicked a folder, because that should indeed work as you would think.
Can you make sure that the Folder Actions Setup service is enabled (Keyboard prefPane -> Keyboard Shortcuts.)
24 Feb 2011, 01:26
Turly,
Folder Actions Setup service is enabled. Still doesn’t work. Any other ideas? I’ve disabled all non apple control panels and still won’t work. Maybe Onyx removed something essential when it did it’s stuff cleaning and maintaining my HD?
Andrew
24 Feb 2011, 14:45
Does Console.app have anything to say when you try to copy a folder via FinderPop? I print out any errors I get on the console.
When you control-click a folder, FinderPop should add that folder name to the FP menu (normally it would be in bold) with a contents submenu hanging off it. Does this happen?
(If you control-click a file, the filename should also be added to the FP menu in bold, but obviously without the submenu.)
24 Feb 2011, 14:48
Oh, and one more thing, you're not trying to move/copy the folder into one of its children, are you? Because FinderPop won't allow that.
The green + cursor doesn't appear at all once you've right-clicked on a folder, but it does if you right-click a file, correct?
24 Feb 2011, 21:08
Turley,
In answer to your questions:
I’m not trying to move/copy a folder into one of its children. No green + cursor appears in the entire FP menu at all.
And, yes, the green + cursor doesn't appear at all once I’ve right-clicked on a folder, but it does if I right-click a file.
Console doesn’t say anything.
When I control-click a folder, FinderPop does add that folder name to the FP menu (normally it would be in bold) with a contents submenu hanging off it. Sometimes I have to click in the menubar first for it to happen as if FP needs to be “cleared”.
(If I control-click a file, the filename is added to the FP menu in bold, but obviously without the submenu.)
Andrew
27 Feb 2011, 23:33
Turly,
I just installed Snow Leopard from scratch, updated to 10.6.6, updated Java, itunes, quicktime 7, made sure that folder actions was enabled, made sure that I enabled access for assistance devices, installed FP beta 6 and the same result. No copying or moving of folders but can do so for files!!!!???
Go figure.
Andrew
28 Feb 2011, 11:21
That's bizarre.
Hmm, can you try this :- select the folder you want to copy in the Finder by single-clicking it. Then, after it's selected, right-click it. Does that make a difference?
I'll get a debug build to you so we can see more of what's happening here, because I've asked four other 10.6.6 FP users now and none of them have problems copying folders or files. I'm in (sunny!!) Cork at the moment so it'll be next week before I get back to Barcelona and my Mac.
28 Feb 2011, 21:02
Turly,
I had already tried that. It makes no difference. Very rarely, copying or moving a folder does work whether I select and wait or not but very rarely and I cannot see a pattern in it. I am using one of the 2010 Macs, a 3.06 Ghz Intel core i3, a bluetooth mouse and keyboard that came with it, in case that helps.
28 Feb 2011, 23:06
Turly,
Forget that about the core i3 iMac. The iMac that I installed 10.6.0 and updated to 10.6.6 was my backup Mac, an older iMac, 2007 version, Intel core 2 duo, 2.16 Mhz iMac
The function of copying or moving a folder doesn’t work on either of my Macs.
Sorry,
Andrew
21 Mar 2011, 13:17
Just curious. Has any progress been made in finding the cause of this rare problem?
Apparently most users do not have the problem, while you have the problem on both your Macs. That is really strange. What could your two Macs have in common that is related to this problem?
21 Mar 2011, 20:58
It’s got me beat! Because I erased and freshly installed Snow Leopard on one of the Macs, updated to 10.6.6 and got the problem. The other Mac has all the additions I’ve made plus extra applications etc and obviously has the problem.
22 Mar 2011, 13:28
I'll hopefully have some time to look at this this coming weekend (and possibly give Andrew a debug FP build.)
I've been up the walls and haven't had the time to do other than spend 10 minutes trying to reproduce this, to no avail...
11 Apr 2011, 00:18
Turly,
Although I suspect that FP 2.3.1.0 Beta wasn’t designed to fix this problem, just wanted to confirm that it isn’t fixed!
Andrew
11 Apr 2011, 08:54
I'll get you a debug build this evening, Andrew.
I had a look at the code in that area yesterday and saw a couple of minor bits that needed doing but couldn't see that they would make any difference. I'll have another gander tonight...
--turly
16 Apr 2011, 12:32
We finally figured out that Andrew's problem only surfaces when you use the "Column" view instead of "Icon" or "List" views.
It works fine for me in all views, so I'm still not sure what the problem might be...
Anyone else have problems selecting items in Column view? Please chime in if so!
16 Apr 2011, 13:32
I am not sure, but I may have discovered when Andrew sees this problem. I hope I can explain it clearly.
When I use column view, copying folder works fine for most folders regardless the column the folder is in and regardless whether the folder is opened or not. Control-click or right-click (or control-free popup) will invoke the FP menu. When the folder is dragged over a folder or volume the cursor with green + appears and the folder can be moved.
However (apart from some folders that cannot/should not be moved, like my Home folder) there is always one folder where it does not work and that is the folder that is last opened. That is the folder that appears 'selected' in the column before the last column, in the second column from the right. Control-click or right-click (or control-free popup) will invoke the FP menu, but when the folder is dragged over a folder or volume the cursor with green + does not appear and the folder cannot be moved.
First selecting a folder will make it the last opened folder and then it cannot be moved in the FP menu.
16 Apr 2011, 22:05
That seems to be right, Ronald. As long as I don’t SELECT a folder and THEN try to copy or move and instead just right click on it, I can go ahead and copy or move. Thanks so much for some patient and observant work from you!!!
Andrew
17 Apr 2011, 12:05
In list and icon view, selecting a folder does just that. In column view it is not really possible to just select a single folder, single-clicking it will open it. Nevertheless, in list and icon view and when the Finder is set to open a separate window for each folder, it is possible to use FP to move a opened folder.
Edit: I never saw the problem before, not only because I mostly use icon or list view, but also because I never first select an object before I right-click on it to get the contextual menu.
17 Apr 2011, 14:03
Thanks RonaldPR for the detective work. I'm almost positive I tried what you described and didn't notice any issues, though like you I normally don't use Column view and I'm definitely more used to just right-clicking on the folder I want to play with...
I'm back in Cork for the next couple of weeks sans Mac so if anything else turns up, there will be a delay before I can look at it...
18 Apr 2011, 00:19
Actually, it looks like that what RonaldPR reported vis a vis moving or copying folders, when in column view, equally applies to ‘Finder Control free popup display‘ and whether ‘contents if on folder’ is checked. (At least it does so on my computer!) If a folder is selected first, it cannot be clicked on and have revealed the contents of that folder. But it does reveal contents if the folder is not selected first but just clicked on with ’contents if on folder’ checked. I hope that makes sense.
18 Apr 2011, 10:37
Indeed, also on my computer the "Contents if on folder" with control-free popup does not work with the selected/opened folder in column view. Instead, the normal contextual+FP menu is displayed. Interestingly, control-command-clicking that same folder to show the contents menu does work.
22 Apr 2011, 01:03
I’ve found also that if I make a keyboard shortcut for the ‘Create Clean Archive’ or ‘Folder Actions Setup...” service within the Finder as Application, it won’t work in column view but will in icon and list view. In fact if I make keyboard shortcuts for other services which I have created, they won’t work when column view is selected, but will when either icon and list view is selected.
22 Apr 2011, 11:04
Andrew - I'm assuming that FinderPop being enabled or not has no bearing on whether those keyboard shortcuts work in Column view...?
If so, it's possible there may be a couple of unhandled corner-cases (read: "bugs") in the 10.6 Finder "what has been clicked on" code while in Column view.
22 Apr 2011, 22:12
Turly,
I just switched FinderPop off and the shortcuts wouldn’t work in column view but did in icon and list view. So doesn’t matter whether FP is on or off.
23 Apr 2011, 09:24
Thanks Andrew. Looks like there's something funky about Services in Column view which is affecting both FinderPop and the keyboard shortcuts. (FP on the Snow Leopard Finder does some jiggery-pokery with Services to get info about the item that was clicked, on 10.5 and 10.4 Finders it uses other methods.)
25 Apr 2011, 00:58
Here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=100&p=477&hilit=vlad#p477
A while ago I noted a similar problem – then forgot about it (I'm sorry): moving a folder per the ctrl-method will occasionally just fail. Not reproducible at will – so this isn't very helpful, except to note the problem is older.
Thank you!
25 Apr 2011, 11:37
Hi again.
2.3.2. est omen… After install+restart, move or copy per right/ctrl click doesn't work for anything at all. Neither does clicking in unused menubar area (I seldom use that).
More important to me: labels (long awaited…), custom icons, italic for alias do work! Thank you!
MBP4,1, 2.4 GHz, 6 GB RAM, running SL 1.6.4 (and wary of updating fttb because of the obligatory software supermarket)
25 Apr 2011, 17:11
vlad wrote:2.3.2. est omen… After install+restart, move or copy per right/ctrl click doesn't work for anything at all. Neither does clicking in unused menubar area (I seldom use that).
Apart from the special situation described above (right/ctrl click on the one already selected folder in column view) these features work fine here (FP 2.3.2.0 beta and SL 10.6.7).
About the menu bar: Could be the known problem with the translucent menu bar. You can disable the menu bar translucency in system preferences "Desktop & Screen Saver".
MBP4,1, 2.4 GHz, 6 GB RAM, running SL 1.6.4 (and wary of updating fttb because of the obligatory software supermarket)
You do not need to use the App Store. I dragged its icon from the Dock and I ignore the item in the Apple menu. I never used it, I never launched the App Store application, and it never did anything on its own.
31 May 2011, 10:31
I lost thread of my post. Anyway, I just went Aha:
Right-click on one Folder: FP works as expected.
Mark one folder then right click: FP won't show the green arrow, won't work.
This doesn't matter w. files or when I (pre)click several Folders. Finder view seems to be irrelevant.
Finally a rule
Turly, hope this helps help!
Best -- and cheers (Biergarten weather in Germany)
PS: Turly, you're the only person I know of who's occ. traveling w'out their computer -- what do you DO then?